if you're getting to weatherize your house and improve the energy efficiency to your home, you spend less money and helps the country because we're using less energy. >> why is that a government program? >> can't necessarily afford it on their own. a lot of people have really old homes and can't afford to update now, we're coming out of recession. >> brenda: gary b, go ahead. >> i wasshocked-- >> it always comes back to, susan, and toby asked the question, why is that the government's role? but beyond that, you know, you made thpoint, oh, this is going to help with the efficiency. susan, come on, you've been involved with government and know how it works, none of the lousy programs -- people back there, only power base is growing their program. maybe the programs will be combined and the budget won't double, it will quadruple. nothing's going away. >> brenda: i know, i've got to cut it off now. thanks, everybody. unions now trying to take their battle over michigan's new right to work law to the ballot box. someone here says that's the vote that could back fire on our entire job mark